Friday, May 9, 2008

Open BlueDragon and ColdFusion 8 Running Side-By-Side on Tomcat

I'll be blogging about this more in the future, complete with how-tos, but so far I'm absolutely loving what I think will be my new standard setup for CFML development.




  • Tomcat 6.0.16


  • Open BlueDragon deployed as a WAR


  • ColdFusion 8 deployed as a WAR (with the RDS WAR, which I haven't tested yet but I assume will mean the debugger in Eclipse will work)



The pros? It's actually easier to get up and running than installing CF separately, and I really like the notion of having Tomcat as the container for all this stuff.


I'm running this setup on both OS X and Ubuntu 8.04 and it works really, really well.


I realize I haven't said much about Open BlueDragon yet but I promise I'll have much to say about it before long. I'm just still recovering from cf.Objective(), and I still have Web Maniacs and Scotch on the Rocks in front of me.


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I just saw my first BlueDragon CFML Test Page a few minutes ago. Interested in seeing where this thing will go.





In order to create the war file for ColdFusion, did you go through the installation and select the J2EE setup?





Sorry Jeff, should have been more clear on that point. Yes, I did create the CF WAR file by running the CF installer and choosing the J2EE option. Once that's created drop the WAR on your app server and you're off to the races!





Hi, I'm new to this blog, and don't want to come off like I'm against any of this, but I need to speak Up and say a few things:


Remember who butters your bread. Adobe has done more for Cold Fusion than anyone else at this point, and have invested a substantial amount of money and time in making it the product it is! How will CF get any better if we have competetors always trying to one-up one another? How can we expect to still have jobs in ten years when everything is free?


This is the beginning of the edn, I am Afraid, unless we should NOT use Blue Dragon and stick with Adobe!





"How will CF get any better if we have competetors always trying to one-up one another?"


Funny, I thought thats how competition worked. BD will do one of two things in my opinion. It will keep Adobe focused on providing a good ColdFusion or BD will become good enough that Adobe will discontinue ColdFusion. At least if BD evolves and becomes a very good alternative, then if Adobe does decide to kill CF at some point, you'll have something else to use without changing technologies completely.





That's good in theory ,but not quite in practice.


Look at Adobe--there is no competition for acrobat, photoshop, flash, or flex. Look at microsoft--there is no competition for windows, or microsoft office.


Look at america! There is no competition for us, either.


This is darwin at work, the survival of the fittest.


Cold Fusion will survive and prospser only under Adobe! You wait!





the nature of competition in a market system is the more forces in the market, the better services have to be, and the more competitive prices have to me, as consumers or in this case developers have more options and will choose the service that best meets their functional and cost needs. Competition is awesome and markets work because we have choices and that drives everyone to step up and make a better product, so we (developers) are happy, the providers (Adobe, New Atlanta, etc) and our clients are all happy.


Another note, is on open source in general, and the licensing of the Open Blue Dragon server means its now free forever, a seriously powerful engine free, and no shift in marketing or corporate whim can take that away. Also more people from all over the world and now contribute and work collectively to mold a better product. Some would say that the lack of serious open source has held CFML back, as opposed to other languages (php, ruby etc) and for many 12k plus holds them back, and now it is free, and open to everyone, including schools!


Open source is awesome, and competition is awesome, its been driving creativity since the begining!





I think this is great. I just started experimenting with openBD using their Jetty package on Amazon EC2. I had to build my own instance because I wanted 64-bit, but I digress.


So my question is: how do you get RDS going with openBD? I have no doubt I will see the many, many benefits of the "real" ColdFusion come into play as I experiment, but if there are workarounds for some of the better add-ons then I am all for it.


I agree competition is the way to go here. Adobe needs to see the light. I would be more than happy to see a "free" version of basic CFML offered by Adobe, then pay for the Enterprise extras like clutering, server monitoring, and the other integrations.



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